AITAH for calling out my mother in law and telling her she is not native american.

In a world where identity is often tied to heritage, a couple’s journey to uncover their roots takes an unexpected turn. The wife, with her striking features and stories of Cherokee ancestry, embodies a living connection to a past she believed was etched in her very being. Yet, the cold, clinical results of DNA tests challenge the narrative they had both held dear, leaving them grappling with the complex layers of identity beyond genetics.

As the truth unfolds, the couple faces a silent reckoning between appearance, belief, and scientific fact. What does it mean to belong when the markers of heritage don’t align with the stories passed down through generations? Their story becomes a poignant exploration of how identity is shaped not just by DNA, but by the heart and history we carry within us.

AITAH for calling out my mother in law and telling her she is not native american.

My wife and her mother appear visually to have Native American characteristics, such as dark hair, almond eyes, and high cheekbones, and they maintain a dark complexion from tanning.

When I met my wife, she stated she was part Cherokee, which I believed based on her appearance. For years, she had been asking us to take DNA tests to learn about our heritage; I was told I was mostly white and part Mexican, and she believed she was 10-20% Native American.

About two years ago, we ordered DNA tests. My results confirmed my expected background: mostly Irish, German, French, and about 10% Mexican. My wife’s test results were surprising, showing her as 99.9% European, mostly Irish.

Initially thinking it was an error, we ordered a more detailed 23andMe test, which confirmed the initial findings for both of us; my wife is genetically almost entirely European.

My wife became very upset because her family has passed down for generations that they are part Cherokee, with an ancestor named Nancy Ward. Given the DNA evidence, this lineage seems impossible.

My mother-in-law frequently posts on social media about her Native American heritage and claiming Nancy Ward as an ancestor. Now that I know the truth, I find these posts irritating.

When I spoke to my mother-in-law about the DNA results and suggested she take a test, she became angry and stated, “she knows who her people are and doesn’t need a DNA test to confirm it.” While I believe in being proud of one’s identity, I dislike seeing people claim ethnic identities they do not possess.

I told my wife I wanted to buy her mother a 23andMe test for Christmas, but my wife firmly advised against it, saying it would only anger her mother further and that I should stop pursuing the issue.

This situation continues to bother me because I see her mother constantly discussing her ‘Indian heritage’ and claiming membership in an oppressed group when the evidence suggests otherwise.

Here’s how people reacted:

FeedbackCreative8334

I am going for NAH “yet” and that may buck the trend a bit.

None of the pretendianism prior to the DNA test was intentional because both women had reason to believe they were part Indian. Your wife is not TA for taking the tests or being sincerely shocked at the results since they contradict what she’s been told her whole life. Your MIL is not TA for being shocked either for the same reason, and can probably be excused for whatever nonsense she said in the moment. Neither of them is to blame for believing what they’d been told their whole lives.

All the opportunities for being an AH are in the future.

Of course now that she knows the truth, your MIL will be TA if she continues the pretendianism given that she has no actual tie to the community such as through adoption etc.

I think you are within bounds of decent behavior for bringing up the truth to your MIL. She did have a need to know. Your delivery was not good since you had to have known what a shock it was based on how it affected your wife, and you aren’t being very sympathetic.

You will definitely become TA if you ever mention it again to your MIL or if you follow through on getting her a DNA test. Your wife is the only one who’s thinking clearly right now so this would be a good chance to let her lead.

flickanelde

So I googled Nancy Ward, and it’s safe to say that woman stopped procreating 250 years ago. That’s more than 10 generations.

Now, obviously, DNA is a fickle thing and does not get divided perfectly evenly between parents. However, over more than 10 generations, I’d think we could safely assume the percentages even out fairly reasonably.

Assuming that your girlfriend was descended from one of the full blood children of Nancy Ward, and that person was their only full blood native ancestor, and splitting genes roughly evenly over 10 plus generations, you end up with a percentage of native blood that is less than 0.1%.

So your girlfriend’s mother may very well be telling the truth about her native ancestry. But at more than 10 generations distant, she is likely more closely related to King Charles at this point.

And definitely more closely related to Kevin Bacon.

IrieSwerve

ESH. From what I read previously from the ancestry test site that I used, percentages in these tests are not necessarily entirely accurate regarding parentage. So, for example, it’s possible your wife inherited more of the genes that indicate Caucasian/European than the ones her parents have that indicate Native. It’s not just one gene and done. Therefore, it is still possible that your wife and MIL actually do have native blood. Now that’s just an example, I’m not saying I believe it to be the case. But since there’s still a bit of a possibility, I don’t think you should make a huge issue of this, especially since your wife asked you not to.

On the other hand, If there’s a chance that she’s not actually Native American, she should try to find out definitively. Perhaps she should do ancestry research through lineage not just dna.

streetcatstan

Wow this is a bit complex. I know DNA tests don’t have as much/accurate data for certain people groups such as indigenous groups. The think about being native (from what I’ve read) is it really is about who claims you. So, if they have some kind of tribal affiliation and/or are claimed by other native individuals there may be more merit to the story than the DNA tests suggests. But if not, then you have to decide how much you want to disrupt your family dynamic over this. Personally I would be upset if I thought they were lying but it could also be more nuanced.
GollumTrees

YTA just unfollow the woman if she triggers you so bad and stop gatekeeping. You don’t know what she is. I’m 1/8th Blackfoot Indian but all you can see in me physically is my Irish side. Pale skin and freckles. I get shit for it all time when people ask my ancestry and I mention that. They say it’s not possible. It’s really annoying, let that shit go. It seems to me that you just don’t like her and that’s why you’re hung up on this. Distance yourself and find more healthy preoccupations.
ResidentLadder

ESH

You – Ethnic percentages on DNA tests are not the best way to determine if someone has Native American heritage. Are you aware that full siblings can have very different percentages? I mean…have you never met full siblings who have different color hair, eyes, skin tone, etc?

Her – Heritage is being part of the tribe. So membership, familiarity with the culture, knowledge and understanding of beliefs…Being a tribal member helps, too. It sounds like your wife has none of those.

SweetCherryDumplings

YTA. Cherokee adopt babies like everyone else. Not all Indigenous people subscribe to the “blood quota” thing, because that’s largely a colonizer tool (or used in response to the situation created by colonizers). If you go to a powwow or an Indigenous science conference, you will meet people of all skin colors who identify as and are accepted as full tribe members. Research these matters more, please before you bring eugenics to the family table.
Tally0987654321

YWBTA Just because you’re doing it to stick it to your MIL. Lol That being said maybe you should do some research on DNA tests. I’m not 100% sure, but I dont think they are reliable for American Indian ancestry? My mother is 1/2 Cherokee, her father was born on the reservation and my Mom/aunts/uncles wer​e born in Oklahoma. My cousins did ancestry DNA and no one showed up as American Indian. I honestly don’t remember the exact reason they gave.
Retlifon

Pretendians are annoying, but getting her a DNA kit is busybodyish. 

On the other hand, if you were actually with her on some occasion, when she makes the claim, I don’t see why you couldn’t mention the oddity that your wife didn’t share any of that particular DNA. Unless you don’t want to annoy your wife, but it seemed likely that wasn’t a major concern for you. 

Long_Fortune4199

I actually take the opposite approach. Your wife and her family are ‘Pretendians’. Claiming ancestry without proof. 

You may be the asshole of how this bothers you and honestly you need to work that out.

Yet your wife and MIL are falsely claiming heritage that may not belong to them as they claim.

ESH for your personal feelings/NTA for their claims

password-123456789

Why do you care so much? Unless she’s pulling an Elizabeth Warren and scamming colleges, let her spread positivity. Btw those test kits are considered for entertainment purposes not educational. They compare your results to other people from around the world, of course their database is going to have more data on Europeans than indigenous groups.
ZookeepergameTiny992

YTA, You’re obsessed with this, and if she wants to believe she is a TINY part Native American, I don’t know why YOU care. You told her the truth based on her daughters DNA, so now what? Let her live her life and get over it. What’s the harm here? What you are doing is far worse and more harmful. You’re a bully and an AH!
_Mallethead

NTA

Who you might be related to doesn’t make you who you really are. You are your own self, that’s it. Nothing more.

Great things done by ancestors in the past, don’t make you great. Horrible things perpetrated in the past by people who looked like you does not make you horrible.

kswilson68

You know, Nancy Ward’s second husband was …. Irish…. they had a daughter …. named Elizabeth Ward.

Maybe try doing genealogy search for your wife’s family before passing judgement. 1% “other” could be Cherokee and Lenape, especially after 300-ish years.

wlfwrtr

Don’t tell anyone just yet. There may be more behind it than you realize. Someone along the line msy have been adopted or someone may have had an affair. If her grandparents are still around you might want their DNA.
Prestigious_Blood_38

Yooooo so these DNA tests are notoriously unreliable for Native American populations. They just literally never got the data to compare against.

That said, they kind of sound like they’re full of shit also.

riontach

ESH. I understand why it’s frustrating, but really what is your behavior helping? And your wife is absolutely correct that giving her mother a DNA test as a “gift” would be incredibly rude.
No-Ad3248

As someone with Native American ancestry but not part of a tribe due to no treaty…

I don’t get all these Y T A comments. I personally think you’re NTA because these people are exhausting.

monotonousrainbo

Soft YTA. I get it – being petty feels so damn good. But it’s not your place to do this, and – worse – if you gift her this, it’ll harm your marriage.

I totally understand your feelings.

UnkindPotato2

NTA but do realize that these tests mean basically nothing and they’re just for fun. They can’t actually tell you much of anything

Source: my friend who is a genetic counselor

terpischore761

Eh…ethnicity in DNA is not passed down 50/50 to each child.

Your MIL could be lying or she could be telling the truth. DNA is only one way to prove her claims.

Malphas43

isnt it possible that somewhere on the family tree after nancy ward a child was adopted and never told about it? And that mil is descended from that child?
Stardust_Shinah

Info: if you know your wife believed it til she saw her test why are you adamant in believing the mother is knowingly claiming ancestry she doesn’t have?
Merkaba_Crystal

23 and me will create a report for you in pdf form or hard cover. Create the hard cover book and give that to her for Christmas.
Minute_Cartoonist768

Yeah, YTA. It’s none of your business and you’re actively choosing to be a jerk here.

You absolutely should drop it.

KibudEm

YTA. DNA does not establish membership or non-membership, but really their heritage is none of your business.
Repulsive-Plane9429

Info: does use practice any part of Native American, does she participate in the community and so on?

Conclusion

The original poster (OP) is experiencing significant frustration and a feeling of moral indignation because they perceive their mother-in-law (MIL) as falsely claiming a Native American heritage, especially given the definitive DNA test results shared with the wife. The central conflict lies between the OP’s strong belief in factual accuracy and the need to respect familial narratives and the wife’s desire to avoid conflict.

Is the OP justified in continuing to challenge the mother-in-law’s identity claims based on DNA evidence, or should they respect their wife’s plea to drop the issue to maintain peace? Where does personal truth intersect with family tradition and relational harmony?

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